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August211997
RULESREVIEWCOMMISSION
OCTOBER20,2005
MINUTES
TheRulesReviewCommissionmetonThursday,October20,2005,intheAssemblyRoomoftheMethodistBuilding,1307GlenwoodAvenue,Raleigh,NorthCarolina.Commissionerspresentwere:
GrahamBell,JennieHayman;ThomasHilliard,RobertSaunders;DanaSimpson,LeeSettle,andJohnTart.
Staffmemberspresentwere:
JosephDeLuca,StaffCounsel;BobbyBryan,RulesReviewSpecialist;andLisaJohnson,AdministrativeAssistant.
Thefollowingpeopleattended:
JoeMooreNCGeneralAssembly
RichardSlipskyNCDepartmentofJustice
AlEiseleDHHS
NancyPateDENR
SarahMeachaniNCDepartmentofJustice
ConnnieDevenport-FlemingWCPSS
SamuelJacksonDBK-EAST
FrankCrawleyNCDepartmentofJustice
BarryGuptonDepartmentofInsurance
JamesGulickNCDepartmentofJustice
DonLatonNCDepartmentofJustice
ErinGouldDepartmentofLabor
AllieLeniDHHS
KimLovenduskiDHHS
DavidFerrellVandeventerBlackLLP
LisaMartinNCHomeBuildersAssociation
SatanaDeberryDHHS
WarrenRichardsonDENR
JesseChavisRDI
NadinePfiefferDivisionofFacilityServices
JeffHortonDivisionofFacilityServices
HelenCottonDENR
DedraAlstonDHHS
LoriePughDHHS
DianeMillerAttorneyGeneral’sOffice
CraigBrombyHunton&Williams
RobinSmithDENR
JamesDennikNCAssociationofCountyCommissioners
PaulMeyerNCAssociationofCountyCommissioners
KayeHolderDHHS
GeorgeGivensNCGeneralAssembly
JeffHudsonNCGeneralAssembly
RickZechiniNCAssociationofRealtors
DeniseStanfordPharmacyBoard
CoreyMenessDHHS
AnitaWatkinsNCLM
AlastairMacaulayNCHBA
ElloitRushingNCSOS
MelindaPiasonSELC
ChrisSimmonsUFON
BradleyBennettDENR/DWQ
MikeRandallDENR/DWQ
MercideeBentonDHHS
GradyMcCallieNCConservationNetwork
MikeNelsonCCNC
JulieBrincefieldOAH
CamilleWinstonOAH
MollyMasichOAH
JeanStanleyNCBoardofNursing
PauletteYoungNCBoardofNursing
DavidKalbackonNCBoardofNursing
PhillipHoffmanDHHS/MH/DD/SAS
CindyKornegayDHHS/MH/DD/SAS
StacySilviaOvercashDHHS/MH/DD/SAS
DavidCobbWildlifeResourcesCommission
KellyDouglassWildlifeResourcesCommission
AmyPickleSouthernEnvironmentalLawCenterofNC
WarrenPlonkOfficeofStateBudgetandManagement
NathanKnuffmanOfficeofStateBudgetandManagement
JulianMannOAH
APPROVALOFMINUTES
Themeetingwascalledtoorderat10:
10a.m.withChairmanHaymanpresiding.
SheremindedtheCommissionersoftheirobligationsunderthegovernor’sExecutiveOrder#1torefrainfromtakingpartinconsiderationofanyrulesforwhichtheyhaveormayappeartohaveaconflictofinterest.
ChairmanHaymanaskedforanydiscussion,comments,orcorrectionsconcerningtheminutesoftheAugust18,2005meeting.Theminuteswereapprovedaswritten.
FOLLOW-UPMATTERS
10ANCAC9.2608:
ChildCareCommission–TheCommissionapprovedtherewrittenrulesubmittedbytheagency.
10ANCAC27G.1301;.1701-.1708;.1901-.1904:
CommissionforMentalHealth-TheCommissionobjectedtorules.1301;.1701-.1708becausetheywerenotadoptedinsubstantialcompliancewithPart2Article2AoftheAdministrativeProcedureAct.TheagencyfailedtocomplywithG.S.150B-21.4(a),(b),(b1)and(b2)inthatitdidnotprepareafiscalnotewithanyoftherequiredelementsorcontentanditdidnotobtaintherequiredcertifications.Ifafiscalnotewasprepared,aswasassertedbycounselfortheagency,thentheagencydidnotcomplywithG.S.150B-21.2(c)(8)andnotifythepublicthattheruleaffectedstateandlocalfundsandhadasubstantialeconomicimpactandthatacopyofthefiscalnotecouldbeobtainedfromtheagency.Infacttheagencyinitsnoticesaidthattherulehadnofiscalimpact.TheCommissionapprovedrules.1901-.1904.
23NCAC2E.0306:
BoardofCommunityColleges–TheCommissionapprovedtherewrittenrulesubmittedbytheagency.
15ANCAC2H.0126;.0150-.0156;.1014-.1019:
EnvironmentalManagementCommission–Theseruleswereplacedattheendofthemeeting.
LOGOFFILINGS#225
ChairmanHaymanpresidedoverthereviewofthelogofpermanentrules.Allruleswereapprovedunanimouslywiththefollowingexceptions:
10ANCAC13B.3302;.4511:
MedicalCareCommission–TheCommissionapprovedtheseruleswithCommissionerHilliardbeingopposed.
11NCAC8.0913:
ManufacturedHousingBoard–Thisrulewaswithdrawnbytheagency.
15ANCAC10H.0301;.0302:
WildlifeResourcesCommission–Theseruleswerewithdrawnbytheagencyandrefilledfornextmonth.
CommissionerSimpsondidnotparticipateinthediscussionnorvoteontheBoardofCosmeticArtExaminersrules.
21NCAC26.0211:
BoardofLandscapeArchitects–TheCommissionobjectedtotheruleduetolackofstatutoryauthorityandambiguity.In
(2),itisnotclearwhatismeantby“improperandunprofessionalpracticeandresults”.Item(4)isunclearandprobablygoesbeyondtheagency’sstatutoryauthority.TheBoardcanactbasedon“grossincompetency”andifacourthasdeclaredaregistrantorapplicantmentallyincompetent.TheBoardhasnoauthorityonitsowntodeclaresomeonementallyincompetent.Itisnotclearwhatwouldconstitute“physicallyincompetent”.Itisalsounclearwhatismeantby“habituallyaddictedtohabitsofsuchcharacterastorenderthelicenseeunfittocontinuepractice.Thisobjectionappliestoexistinglanguageintherule.
21NCAC26.0306:
BoardofLandscapeArchitects–TheCommissionobjectedtotheruleduetoambiguity.Itisnotclearwhatwouldconstitute“causejustifyingrelicensingorreinstatement”.Thisobjectionappliestoexistinglanguageintherule.
21NCAC26.0510:
BoardofLandscapeArchitects–TheCommissionobjectedtotheruleduetolackofstatutoryauthority,ambiguityandlackofnecessity.In(e),thereisnoauthorityforthestatementthattheBoardisnotrequiredtonotifythepartiesofthereasonsoftheBoardinmakingitsdetermination.G.S.150B-42(a)requiresagenciestomakeawrittenfinaldecisionororderincludingfindingsoffactandconclusionsoflaw.Subparagraph(c)
(2)andParagraph(g)arepartlyrepetitivebutnotcompletely.Tothedegreeonerepeatstheother,oneisnotnecessary.Wheretheydiffer,itisnotclearwhattheCommitteecanrecommend.
LOGOFFILINGS#226
10ANCAC27G.0810:
CommissionforMentalHealth–Thisrulewaswithdrawnbytheagency.
12NCAC9B.0306:
CriminalJusticeEducationandTrainingStandardsCommission–TheCommissionobjectedtotheruleduetoambiguity.In(b)
(1),itisnotclearwhat“formallyrecognizedprofessions”areacceptabletotheCommission.Thisobjectionappliestoexitinglanguageintherule.
15ANCAC2G.0601:
EnvironmentalManagementCommission–TheCommissionobjectedtotheruleduetolackofstatutoryauthority.ThereisnoauthoritycitedfortheEnvironmentalManagementCommissiontorepealthisrule.ThepertinentcitedauthorityisauthorityfortheSecretaryofEnvironmentandNaturalResourcestoadoptrules,nottheCommission.
15ANCAC2G.0602:
EnvironmentalManagementCommission–TheCommissionobjectedtotheruleduetolackofstatutoryauthority.Thewrongagencytookactiononthisrule.ThecitedauthorityforthisrulewasgrantedtotheSecretaryofEnvironmentandNaturalResources.ThereisnoauthoritycitedfortheEnvironmentalManagementCommissiontoamendthisrule.
TEMPORARYRULES
ChairmanHaymanpresidedoverthereviewofthelogoftemporaryrules.Allruleswereapprovedunanimously.
Themeetingadjournedforashortbreakat11:
25a.m.
Themeetingreconvenedat11:
50a.m.
STORMWATERRULES
CommissionersSimpsonandSaundersrecusedthemselvesfromanyparticipationinthediscussionorvotesonthestormwaterrules.
CommissionerHilliardmadeamotionthatanyconsideration,discussion,oractiononthestormwaterrules,basedonlackofauthorityfortherules,includinglackofauthoritybasedontheenactmentofS.L.2004-163(S.B.1210)bepostponeduntiltheNovembermeeting.Hesaidhewasmakingthismotionbecauseonlyfourcommissionerswouldbelefttoparticipatesincehewouldbeleavingshortly.Healsowantedtogivethethreecommissionersnotinattendance,theopportunitytoparticipateinthatdiscussion.ThemotionwassecondedbyCommissionerBellandapprovedbytheCommission.
15ANCAC2H.0126:
EnvironmentalManagementCommission–TheCommissionobjectedtotheruleduetoambiguity.Inlines13and14therulespecifiesthat“if[therules]overlaptocreateaconflict…themorestringentrequirementsapply.”Itmaynotalwaysbeclearwhichsetofrulesorrequirementsarethemorestringent.Itseemsthatdifferentinterestgroupsmighthavedifferentperceptionsofwhatismoreorlessstringent.
15ANCAC2H.0150:
EnvironmentalManagementCommission–TheCommissionobjectedtotheruleduetoambiguityandlackofauthority.Portionsofthisruleareunclear.Thepreviousrulespecifiesthatintheeventofa“rulesoverlap”(Rule.0126,lines13and14)“themorestringentrequirementsapply.”Asidefromthedifficultyofdeterminingwhattherequirementmightactuallybe,thereisnoreasonwhythereshouldbeanydifficultyindefiningtermsusedinthissectionwiththeactualdefinitionsthatwillapply.Thisrulecouldspecifythatthedefinitionsfoundinthisruleapplytothissectionandthatnootherdefinitionsapply.Otherwiseitisunclearwhatdefinitionsactuallyapplyifthereareconflictingones.In
(2),lines11and12,itisunclearwhatconstitutesa“partiallyimpervioussurface.”Does“partiallyimpervious”meanareductioninsoilabsorptioncapabilitiesbyacertain,fixedpercentage,e.g.25%,50%,75%,oreven5%?
Byleavingthisphraseundefined,therulecreatessubstantialuncertaintyast
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